Warning: Major spoilersYouseason 4ahead.
Everything we were led to believe in the first part of season four was a lie.
What Joethinksthey don’t have in common indeed.
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Glamour:I have to start this interview the same way I startedour chat about season three.
Can you just tell me about puttingTaylor Swift’sAnti-Hero in the finale?
WasMidnightseven out yet when you were planning the episode?
Tati Gabrielle as Marienne
Sera Gamble:Midnightshad just come out, and we had already cut the episode.
We’d already sent it through the notes process with the studio and with Netflix.
So it was a very exciting moment for me, to be honest.
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Did you get to ask her personally this time?
I feel like, in some way, she’spart of the story of the series.
Every now and then you should just take the big swing.
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Now that weve seen there were at least three big twists, Im wondering: Which idea came first?
We have been talking about doing a fractured psyche story for Joe for a long time.
You have to really justify a twist like that.
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But it would come up in conversation a lot, and I always really liked it.
The more psychological the core of the story is the more I love it.
So we were talking about that every time we would write a particularly hallucinatory episode for Joe.
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I cant believe I actually thought Joe was changing for the better this season.
Im not usually tricked so easily.
Is that the ultimate arc?
Is it a redemption arc?
I promised him we wouldn’t and that we would feel no obligation to.
And if that changed, it would be a conversation we all had together.
He would have to be very distracted by another problem.
I mean, don’t you agree with her, based on what you know about Joe?
It’s very dangerous, and Nadia sacrificed a lot to help her truly disappear.
The idea is not really to let Joe off the hook.
But you know, the question is, what are you willing to risk for something like that?
We definitely leave a lot of those dangling threads on purpose to threaten Joe with.
And now hes back in NYC and speaking publicly.
The huge difference is that people know who he is now.
Now he’s in a completely different situation.
How dangerous is a Joe Goldberg with money and resources considering the damage hes caused without both?
I think he has a whole new superpower he didn’t have before.
Now he’s getting what he wants.
So we’ll see what happens when he gets what he wants.
Does he have his son back?
I wasnt quite sure.
He can make whatever choice he thinks is best for Henry now.
Who would you like to bring back next?
But I miss Peach Salinger (Shay Mitchell), rest in peace.
We have always felt that Ellie and Joe had a little bit more story left.
What are you excited to explore with Kate and Joes relationship moving forward?
I wouldn’t assume she knows everything just because he seemed so incredibly honest when we cut away.
I think there’s always something left out of the story.
But you’re rightthey’re in a great place at the beginning of the season.
Is there such thing as the perfect woman to perfectly satisfy Joe?
And I mean, the answer to that question is: Wow, that is really the wrong question.
Yeah, if Joe really changes.
Is there a point where youll feel he has to get caught?
He had gone too far in act one of season one.
That’s sometimes very strong for Penn as well.
Sometimes he’s like, Can we punish this guy?
